The Yugoslavian Breakup: Kosovo’s Reckoning (Part 7)

Kosovo Polje: Setting the Stage

0:02 Speaker 1: Kosovo, polje, march 24th 1999.

0:06 Speaker 1: Twelve years after Slobodan Milosevic first stood on this legendary battlefield and promised Serbian crowds that no one should dare to beat you, nato bombs are falling on Yugoslavia.

0:20 Speaker 1: Bikim Kostrati crouches in his farmhouse cellar with his three children listening to F-16s streak overhead toward Serbian targets.

0:31 Speaker 1: The irony runs deep.

0:33 Speaker 1: Here's a Kosovo-Albanian family hiding from Serbian forces in the same field where, six centuries ago, prince Lazar supposedly chose death over submission to the Ottoman Empire.

0:46 Speaker 1: That medieval choice has become a modern ultimatum Submit or flee, stay quiet or disappear.

0:56 Speaker 1: Outside Bakim's window, a convoy of Albanian refugees stretches towards the Macedonian border.

1:04 Speaker 1: Tractors pull trailers loaded with mattresses and family photos.

1:08 Speaker 1: Families walk with everything they own in plastic bags, old men carrying walking sticks carved decades ago in villages they'll never see again.

1:18 Speaker 1: Serbian police and paramilitaries have given them hours to leave homes, their families, occupied for generations.

1:26 Speaker 1: Papa, his eight-year-old daughter Ardita, whispers in Albanian when can we go home?

1:34 Speaker 1: Beckham has seen too much this past month Neighborhoods disappearing in the night, identity documents burned in public squares, mosques converted to storage warehouses.

1:47 Speaker 1: When the plane stopped flying, little bird, he tells her, though he suspects home as they knew it may no longer exist.

1:56 Speaker 1: Above them, an American pilot from Ohio flies a mission he barely understands.

2:03 Speaker 1: He's never heard of Kosovo Polje, never studied the Battle of 1389, never grappled with how medieval mythology shapes modern warfare.

2:13 Speaker 1: He's about to become part of a story that began with Ottoman expansion and Serbian resistance, continued through Yugoslav Federation and nationalist revival.

2:24 Speaker 1: Resistance continued through Yugoslav Federation and nationalist revival and now reaches its climax in the First Humanitarian War of the post-Cold War era.

2:30 Speaker 1: This is Yugoslavia's final act, where Serbian nationalism was born in the 1980s and where it would face its ultimate reckoning in the 1990s.

2:45 Speaker 1: This is part seven of our series on the Yugoslav breakup Kosovo's Reckoning.

2:56 Speaker 1: You know how they say you can't understand someone until you walk a mile in their shoes.

3:00 Speaker 1: Well, I'd argue you can't understand a nation until you've walked through its history, not just to highlight Rio or the sanitized version you find in textbooks.

3:10 Speaker 1: I mean really getting into its DNA, those defining moments that shaped everything that came after, those moments where paths were chosen, where decisions were made in palaces and backrooms and city streets that changed the course of millions of lives.

Understanding Kosovo's Dual Identity

3:26 Speaker 1: I'm your host, paul, and this is Double Helix Blueprint of Nations, where we unravel the genetic code of countries through their most transformative moments.

3:37 Speaker 1: Think of it like ancestry testing, but for entire nations.

3:42 Speaker 1: We dig deep into the historical DNA, finding those crucial moments that made countries who they are today.

4:00 Speaker 1: Before we dive into today's story, I want to acknowledge something that struck me while we were preparing this series.

4:05 Speaker 1: Our last episode, which explored the genocide at Severnica and the broader tragedy of Bosnia, was released almost exactly 30 years after those events unfolded, in July of 1995.

4:18 Speaker 1: It wasn't planned by me, but it does serve as a reminder of why these stories matter.

4:23 Speaker 1: Three decades later, and we're still grappling with the same questions about ethnic nationalism, international intervention and how societies fracture under pressure.

4:34 Speaker 1: What it teaches us is that the lessons of Yugoslavia are not ancient history, something that happened in the past.

4:41 Speaker 1: They are a warning about the forces that remain very much alive in our world today.

4:49 Speaker 1: Kosovo represents both the beginning and the end of Yugoslavia's nationalist crisis.

4:54 Speaker 1: It was here that Milosevic discovered the political power of historical grievance in 1987, all the way back in episode 3.

5:03 Speaker 1: And it was here, 12 years later, that the international community finally drew a line in the Balkan soil 78 days of bombing, and he promised that ethnic cleansing would no longer be tolerated in post-Cold War Europe.

5:19 Speaker 1: But Kosovo's story defies simple narratives.

5:23 Speaker 1: It's a tale of competing claims to victimhood, where medieval battles echo through modern conflicts, where demographic trends become existential threats and where sovereignty confronts self-determination.

5:36 Speaker 1: We've traced Yugoslavia's dissolution from Slovenia's Ten-Day War through Croatia's brutal homeland conflict and Bosnia's descent into genocide.

5:46 Speaker 1: Each escalation taught lessons that shaped responses to the next crisis.

5:51 Speaker 1: By the time Kosovo erupted in the late 1990s, the world had learned the cost of inaction Perhaps too well.

5:59 Speaker 1: Today, we'll explore how Kosovo became the stage for Yugoslavia's final reckoning.

6:09 Speaker 1: To understand what happened in Kosovo, you need to understand its unique place in both Serbian consciousness and Yugoslav structure.

6:16 Speaker 1: Kosovo was simultaneously the spiritual heart of Serbian identity and an autonomous province where Serbs had become a demographic minority.

6:26 Speaker 1: The Battle of Kosovo-Polje in 1389 occupies a place in Serbian national consciousness roughly equivalent to the Alamo in American memory, but far more central to collective identity.

6:42 Speaker 1: Let me explain.

6:44 Speaker 1: When Serbian Prince Lazarus' forces faced an expanding Ottoman Empire in this field, military defeat transformed into spiritual victory through epic poetry that emerged afterwards Lazar choosing the heavenly kingdom over earthly compromise, servian knights preferring death to submission.

7:05 Speaker 1: For six centuries, this mythology sustained Servian identity through Ottoman rule, habsburg administration and Yugoslav federation.

7:16 Speaker 1: Kosovo wasn't just territory.

7:19 Speaker 1: It was the Jerusalem of Serbian orthodoxy, dotted with medieval monasteries housing the artistic treasures of Serbian civilization civilization.

7:29 Speaker 1: Every Serbian child learned that Kosovo was the cradle of their nation, where their ancestors chose martyrdom over surrender.

7:42 Speaker 1: But mythology and demography don't always align.

7:44 Speaker 1: By the 1980s, kosovo's population was roughly 90% Albanian and only 10% Serbian, a dramatic shift from the roughly even split when Yugoslavia was first founded.

7:55 Speaker 1: This change resulted from higher Albanian birth rates, serbian immigration to more prosperous parts of Yugoslavia and complex factors dating back centuries.

8:06 Speaker 1: Bogdan Bogdanovich, a Serbian architect and intellectual who served as mayor of Belgrade, captured this painful contradiction.

8:15 Speaker 1: We Serbs speak of Kosovo as our Jerusalem.

8:19 Speaker 1: We have abandoned it as surely as we claim to cherish it.

8:23 Speaker 1: You cannot preserve spiritual heritage through occasional pilgrimages while fleeing economic realities.

8:29 Speaker 1: This demographic transformation became the raw material for nationalist revival.

8:35 Speaker 1: When Milosevic made his pilgrimage to Kosovo Polje in April of 1987, he wasn't just stressing local grievances, he was activating the deepest layers of Servian collective memory.

8:48 Speaker 1: We are in Kosovo Polje, april 24th of 1987.

Milosevic's Rise and Kosovo's Fall

8:58 Speaker 1: The small industrial town near Pristina swells with serfs from across the province, many bussed in by nationalist organizers.

9:05 Speaker 1: They come with complaints about Albanian discrimination, property attacks, feeling like strangers in their ancestors' sacred land.

9:14 Speaker 1: Milosevic arrives by helicopter.

9:18 Speaker 1: He is a mid-level party functionary, whose political career has been unremarkable up until this moment.

9:25 Speaker 1: He's expected to deliver bland reassurances about socialist brotherhood and inter-ethnic harmony.

9:31 Speaker 1: The standard Yugoslav responds to ethnic tensions Instead.

9:37 Speaker 1: When the local police, who are mostly Albanian, push back against the crowd trying to enter the meeting hall, milosevic steps outside and addresses them directly.

9:46 Speaker 1: No one should dare to beat you, he declares, and the crowd erupts.

9:52 Speaker 1: Here, finally, is a Serbian leader willing to acknowledge their fears, to promise protection.

9:59 Speaker 1: Television cameras captured it all Crowd's euphoria, ljosevic's stern expression and the sense that something fundamental had shifted in Yugoslav politics, that something fundamental had shifted in Yugoslav politics.

10:13 Speaker 1: Milan Komenev, a factory worker from Pristina who was in that crowd, later described the moment.

10:21 Speaker 1: It felt like someone had finally heard us.

10:23 Speaker 1: For years we've complained about discrimination, about being made to feel unwelcome in our holy land.

10:30 Speaker 1: The party told us that it was all in our heads that socialism had solved the national question.

10:36 Speaker 1: But here was a leader saying what we felt, that we had the right to be there, to be protected, to be heard.

10:44 Speaker 1: What Kominich and others didn't fully grasp was how this moment would spread, how local grievances would become imperial ambitions, how defensive nationalism would become aggressive expansionism, how protecting Kosovo's Serbs would eventually require conquering Bosnia and Croatia.

11:02 Speaker 1: Within months, milosevic had consolidated control over Serbia's League of Communists.

11:09 Speaker 1: Within a year, he orchestrated the anti-bureaucratic revolution that brought his allies to power in Montenegro, bošbojdane and Kosovo itself.

11:19 Speaker 1: By 1989, he controlled four of the eight votes in Yugoslavia's collective presidency enough to block any initiative he opposed.

11:28 Speaker 1: The constitutional changes he pushed through in 1989, revoking Kosovo's autonomy and bringing it under direct Serbian control, represented the first major revision of Yugoslavia's internal boundaries since Tito's death.

11:52 Speaker 1: For Kosovo's Albanian majority, it felt like the occupation by a hostile power that denied their very existence as a distinct people.

11:59 Speaker 1: Pristina, march 1989.

12:07 Speaker 1: Albanian students at the University of Pristina begin protest against the constitutional changes stripping Kosovo of autonomous status.

12:11 Speaker 1: The demonstrations spread to high schools, the mines and factories until much of Kosovo's Albanian population engages in what they call peaceful resistance.

12:21 Speaker 1: The Serbian response is swift and harsh Police occupy university buildings, arrest strike leaders, impose emergency measures that essentially place Kosovo under martial law.

12:33 Speaker 1: The message is clear Albanian political organization will not be tolerated.

12:39 Speaker 1: Their choice is submission or emigration.

12:44 Speaker 1: Adam Dimash, an Albanian intellectual who spent 28 years in Yugoslav prisons for nationalist activities, watches from his apartment in Pristina.

12:53 Speaker 1: At 64, he has become the unofficial voice of Albanian resistance, a living symbol of persistent opposition to Serbian rule.

13:02 Speaker 1: They think they can solve the Albanian question through repression.

13:07 Speaker 1: He tells foreign journalists you cannot make a people disappear through administrative decree.

13:13 Speaker 1: We are 90% of Kosovo's population.

13:16 Speaker 1: We will outlast their occupation just as we outlasted the Ottomans, just as we outlasted other empires that thought they could erase us.

13:25 Speaker 1: His words proved prophetic.

13:29 Speaker 1: The path to vindication leads through a decade of apartheid-like conditions that push Albanian resistance from peaceful to violent forms.

13:40 Speaker 1: Throughout the 1990s, as wars ravaged Slovenia, croatia and Bosnia, kosovo remained deceptively quiet.

13:48 Speaker 1: Albanian leader Ibrahim Rugova advocated non-violence resistance, building parallel institutions, schools, clinics, media that functioned outside of Serbian control.

14:02 Speaker 1: This shadow state kept Albanian society intact while avoiding the bloodshed that international observers feared.

14:10 Speaker 1: For a time, this strategy seemed to work.

14:14 Speaker 1: While Sarajevo burned and Vukovar fell, kosovo's Albanians remained with their distinct identity, without triggering massive retaliation that armed resistance might provoke.

14:25 Speaker 1: International sympathy lay with the peaceful Albanian majority rather than the Serbian minority that ruled through force.

14:33 Speaker 1: But nonviolence requires hope.

14:36 Speaker 1: I believe that patient resistance will eventually be rewarded with political change.

14:44 Speaker 1: By the mid-1990s, as wars elsewhere in Yugoslavia ended, with international recognition of independence for Slovenia, croatia and Bosnia, kosovo Albanians began questioning whether peaceful resistance was achieving anything beyond preventing immediate catastrophe.

15:01 Speaker 1: The transformation from peaceful resistance to armed rebellion did not happen overnight, but when it came it reshaped the entire dynamic of Yugoslav dissolution.

From Peaceful Resistance to Armed Rebellion

15:15 Speaker 1: The mountains along the Kosovo border were Albanian Spring of 1996.

15:24 Speaker 1: Small groups of young Albanian men crossed rugged paths carrying weapons supplied by sympathizers in Albania proper.

15:32 Speaker 1: Men crossed rugged paths carrying weapons supplied by sympathizers in Albania proper.

15:36 Speaker 1: They called themselves the Ustria Klimintare e Kozoves, the Kosovo Liberation Army, or KLA for short, though at this point they number only a few dozen and possess little more than AK-47s and determination.

15:50 Speaker 1: Hashim Tashi, a political science student turned guerrilla commander, addresses a gathering of potential recruits in a forest clearing At 27,.

16:00 Speaker 1: He embodies a generational shift among Kosovo's Albanian, impatient with Rugova's patient diplomacy, convinced that only armed struggle will bring independence.

16:11 Speaker 1: The world ignores peaceful resistance, he tells them.

16:15 Speaker 1: They intervene in Bosnia only after concentration camps were exposed.

16:20 Speaker 1: They act on humanitarian crisis, not peaceful protests.

16:24 Speaker 1: If we want freedom, we must create conditions that force international attention.

16:32 Speaker 1: The strategic calculation that violence would attract international intervention more effectively than nonviolence seems coldly cynical in retrospect.

16:41 Speaker 1: Yet it reflected brutal lessons learned from watching other Yugoslav conflicts.

16:46 Speaker 1: Slovenia gained independence through brief armed resistance.

16:49 Speaker 1: Croatia achieved territorial integrity through massive military operations.

16:54 Speaker 1: Bosnia received international protection only after genocidal atrocities shocked the global conscience.

17:02 Speaker 1: The KLA's early operations were small-scale attacking Serbian police posts, ambushing patrols, assassinating Albanian collaborators who worked within the Serbian system.

17:13 Speaker 1: But even limited insurgency provoked disproportionate responses that served the rebels' strategic purposes.

17:20 Speaker 1: By 1998, the cycle of insurgent attack and disproportionate response had escalated into open warfare that finally focused international attention on Kosovo's deteriorating situation.

17:33 Speaker 1: At the village of Rachak on January 15 of 1999, william Walker, head of the Kosovo Verification Mission, arrives to investigate reports of a massacre.

17:48 Speaker 1: What he finds in the small Albanian village will provide the immediate justification for NATO's intervention.

17:55 Speaker 1: Forty-five Albanian civilians lie dead in a ravine.

17:59 Speaker 1: Men, women and children killed execution style after Serbian forces overran the village in pursuit of KLA fighters.

18:08 Speaker 1: The bodies show signs of close-range gunshot wounds, suggesting systematic killing rather than combat casualties.

18:17 Speaker 1: By this point the international community had absorbed painful lessons from earlier inaction.

18:22 Speaker 1: The failure to prevent genocide in Bosnia, the humiliation of watching UN peacekeepers taken hostage while cities fell, the moral stain of standing aside while systematic ethnic cleansing unfolded All of this created pressure for more decisive action unfolded.

18:42 Speaker 1: All of this created pressure for more decisive action.

18:45 Speaker 1: President Bill Clinton, still haunted by his administration's passivity during the Rwanda genocide and the Bosnian crisis made clear that Kosovo would be different.

18:51 Speaker 1: The decision to bomb Yugoslavia, the first time NATO had ever attacked a foreign state, represented a fundamental shift in post-Cold War international relations, establishing precedents that continue shaping humanitarian intervention to this day.

19:12 Speaker 1: The bombing campaign begins with clinical precision Strikes on air defense systems, military installations, government buildings in Belgrade.

19:20 Speaker 1: The expectation, based in Bosnia's precedent, is that, in a few days of bombing, this will bring Milosevic to the negotiating table.

NATO Intervention and Ethnic Cleansing

19:28 Speaker 1: Instead, serbian forces accelerate their offensive in Kosovo, triggering the massive refugee crisis that intervention was meant to prevent.

19:37 Speaker 1: Within weeks, over 800,000 Kosovo Albanians have fled to Albania, macedonia and Montenegro, creating the largest refugee crisis in Europe since World War II.

19:48 Speaker 1: At that time, the images are devastating Columns of displaced families stretching for kilometers, children separated from parents in the chaos of flight, elderly people dying of exposure in makeshift camps.

20:02 Speaker 1: Milosevic's strategy becomes clear If NATO wants to stop ethnic cleansing, they'll accelerate it beyond NATO's ability to respond.

20:12 Speaker 1: Force the alliance to choose between a ground invasion or accepting Serbian control over an ethnically cleansed Kosovo.

20:20 Speaker 1: For 78 days, the Scream calculation plays out in the skies over Yugoslavia and the refugee camps of Albania.

20:29 Speaker 1: Nato eventually expands its target list from military objectives to dual-use infrastructure, bridges, power plants, telecommunications, hoping to put pressure on Serbian society into abandoning Milosevic.

20:49 Speaker 1: Belgrade, april of 1999.

20:51 Speaker 1: The Yugoslav capital lives under constant threat of air attack.

20:56 Speaker 1: It's rested in spending nights in subway stations and basements that serve as bomb shelters.

21:01 Speaker 1: The psychological pressure is immense, not knowing when the next strike will come, whether it will hit military or civilian targets, whether this war will end through negotiation or escalate to a ground invasion.

21:15 Speaker 1: Vesna Pesic, a Serbian sociologist and an anti-war activist, tries to maintain perspective amid the chaos.

21:24 Speaker 1: This is what we did to Sarajevo for three years, to Vukovar for three months.

21:29 Speaker 1: Now we experience siege ourselves and suddenly understand what we put others through.

21:34 Speaker 1: Perhaps this is justice.

21:36 Speaker 1: Terrible, but just.

21:39 Speaker 1: Perhaps this is justice, terrible but just.

21:41 Speaker 1: Yet many ordinary Serbs see themselves as victims of unprovoked aggression, rallying around Milosevic despite years of economic hardship and political repression.

21:52 Speaker 1: Nato's bombing, intended to turn Serbian society against their leader initially, has the opposite effect, creating national unity in the face of external attack.

22:03 Speaker 1: The war's turning point comes not from military pressure alone, but from diplomatic isolation.

22:08 Speaker 1: Russia, serbia's traditional ally, gradually distances itself from Milosevic at the cost of supporting outweighed strategic benefits.

22:17 Speaker 1: On June 10, 1999, after 78 days of bombing, serbian forces begin withdrawing from Kosovo under international pressure.

22:28 Speaker 1: The agreement provides for UN administration of the province, pending final status determination.

22:35 Speaker 1: The aftermath of NATO's intervention reveals both the possibilities and the limitations of humanitarian war.

22:44 Speaker 1: Kosovo's Albanian population returns from exile to find their province under international administration, neither independent nor autonomous, but free from Serbian control.

22:54 Speaker 1: The parallel Albanian institutions built during the 1990s emerged from the shadows to provide civil administration under UN oversight.

23:03 Speaker 1: Yet victory brings its own moral complications.

23:07 Speaker 1: Some returning Albanian refugees engaged in revenge attacks against Kosovo's remaining Serbian population, reversing, but not ending the cycle of ethnic persecution, but not ending the cycle of ethnic persecution.

23:19 Speaker 1: Ancient Serbian monasteries require international protection from Albanian extremists, while Albanian graves are discovered in the Serbian courtyards, evidence of atrocities that went both ways during the conflict.

23:34 Speaker 1: Kosovo's declaration of independence in 2008, nearly a decade after NATO's intervention, is the culmination and the continuation of Yugoslavia's dissolution.

23:46 Speaker 1: The new state emerged from UN administration with significant international support, including recognition by the United States and most European Union members.

23:55 Speaker 1: Yet Kosovo's independence remains contested.

23:59 Speaker 1: It is rejected by Serbia, by Russia and other countries that fear precedence for their own separatist regions.

24:06 Speaker 1: The province that triggered Yugoslavia's final crisis continues generating international tension that echo far beyond the Balkans.

24:19 Speaker 1: Let me take you to Pristina, february 17th 2008.

24:23 Speaker 1: Celebration erupts as Kosovo's parliament declares independence, a ceremony laden with symbolic significance.

24:32 Speaker 1: The date coincides with Serbian Orthodox Christmas according to the old calendar, a deliberate choice that emphasizes Kosovo's break with Serbian Orthodox Christmas according to the old calendar, a deliberate choice that emphasizes Kosovo's break with Serbian heritage.

Independence and Contested Legacy

24:42 Speaker 1: Fatmir Sejdu, kosovo's first president, addresses the assembly in words that attempt to balance triumphant nationalism with inclusive democracy.

24:53 Speaker 1: Today, we complete the journey begun in 1389, when our ancestors chose freedom over submission.

25:01 Speaker 1: We build a state for all of Kosovo's citizens, regardless of ethnicity or religion.

25:09 Speaker 1: Our independence is not against Serbia, but for Kosovo.

25:13 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, in northern Kosovo, where Serbs maintain de facto control with Belgrade's support, independence Day passes in sullen resistance.

25:25 Speaker 1: Serbian flags fly from public buildings that don't recognize Pristina's authority, while Serbian police patrol streets that theoretically belong to an independent Kosovo that they don't acknowledge.

25:39 Speaker 1: This partition in all but name, reflects the deeper failure of Yugoslavia's dissolution the inability to create genuinely multi-ethnic states that protect minority rights while maintaining territorial integrity.

25:52 Speaker 1: Each independence movement from Slovenia onward resolved one group's national aspirations while creating new minorities who felt threatened by the new dispensation.

26:04 Speaker 1: What Kosovo's story reveals about the relationship between historical mythology and contemporary politics is striking.

26:13 Speaker 1: The battle that occurred on these fields in 1389 continue shaping events today, not through any direct causal connection, but through the ways different communities interpret and weaponize that ancient defeat, compromise, a framework that justifies resistance to Ottoman rule, opposition to Austrian occupation, participation in the Yugoslav Federation and, ultimately, the wars of the 1990s.

26:50 Speaker 1: The medieval prince who chose the heavenly kingdom became a template for modern nationalism that prioritized symbolic victories over pragmatic solutions, that prioritize symbolic victories over pragmatic solutions.

27:01 Speaker 1: For Albanians, the same battlefield represents the site where their ancestors were subjugated by foreign invaders First medieval Serbs, then Ottoman Turks, then Yugoslav communists, then Serbian nationalists.

27:19 Speaker 1: Independence on Kosovo Polja becomes not just territorial control but historical vindication, proof that patient resistance eventually triumphs over imperial ambition.

27:27 Speaker 1: When competing myths of victimhood meet territorial disputes and demographic anxieties, the result is often the kind of existential conflict that consumed Yugoslavia through the 1990s.

27:44 Speaker 1: Today, if you visit Kosovo Polje, you'll find a modern highway connecting Kristina to Skopje, macedonia, a concrete symbol of Kosovo's integration into European transportation networks.

27:58 Speaker 1: The medieval battlefield is marked by a simple monument that most travelers pass without stopping, focused on reaching destinations rather than contemplating origins.

28:09 Speaker 1: Yet for those who pause, sight embodies the complex legacy of Yugoslavia's dissolution, an ancient battle that justified centuries of resistance, ultimately enabled a modern independence that remains contested.

28:29 Speaker 1: Next time, on Double Helix, we'll explore how the wars of Yugoslav dissolution continue shaping the successor states today, through international tribunals seeking justice for wartime atrocities, through reconciliation efforts that struggle against persistent nationalism, and through the ongoing challenge of building democratic institutions on the ruins of ethnic conflict.

Closing Thoughts and Next Episode

28:52 Speaker 1: We'll examine how the memory of the 1990 wars influenced contemporary politics from Slovenia to North Macedonia, how the unfinished business of accountability and reconciliation threatens regional stability, and how the lessons of Yugoslavia's collapse resonate in our current era of rising nationalism and democratic fragility.

29:15 Speaker 1: Until then, thank you for listening.

29:19 Speaker 1: We will see you soon.